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#1 2008-10-07 11:48:32

mothmanlives
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Oh the tangled web we weave!

This has kinda been posted before but I think some of you all missed point.  This could be because not all of the information was present.  I am new to this board and feel like I should introduce myself and maybe give you all some insight as to how my mind works before getting to the meat of the subject.  For those of you who just want to think about the comic part, I will write on with the real matter, before hand

I am 26 years old and for as long as I know I have been into comics.  I have had my times of not getting any for a couple years to going everyday to buy them.  I was brought up in a good home and was loved deeply.  I am from a small city and graduated from college with a degree in history.  I then went on to obtain my masters degree in education and have been teaching full time for the last three years.  I started to get into the paranormal while in high school and it turned into horror movies.  I have spent tons of time researching ghosts, mothman, graveyards, comics, and everything inbetween.  While reading the book the Mothman prophecies by John Keel, I was introduced into a world full of conspiricies and how everything happens for a reason.  This brought scary truth to my life as I went back through it.  I knew about the Question and his various incarnations, and went I saw him on the JLU cartoon I was like woah! It floored me.  I havesince picked up all Q books and have been reading and rereading them all.  I love all things conspircy and see am probably a little to paranoid for my own good.  Oh BTW die hard republican.  So how could i not love this guy

ON WITH THE REAL MATTER...

Mr. Zsasz and our beloved Q.  As mentioned before on this forum, they mentioned maybe a family history and then went off on something not quite what the post should have been about.  Lets think for just a min about the history of these two and possibly a third. 

Question- I'm not gonna waste your time with this story

Mr. Zsasz-   A serial killer with a difference, Mr. Zsasz has no pattern. He kills anybody. Zsasz had no dysfunctional family background. He suffered neither abuse nor trauma. He kills for one reason only: because he chooses to. Zsasz's parents were very rich and in love. They gave him everything he needed, both emotionally and materially. All life's pleasures were his. He graduated from school with honors, had friends, and foreign trips. Three years after graduating from college, Victor headed up his own international company. He was the toast of the markets, with an 'in' to a string of billion-dollar deals. When he was twenty-five his parents died in a boating accident. Mature enough to accept that death was inevitable, he was still badly affected by their loss. While seeking distraction from from that loss, he discovered gambling - and was immediately swept up in a crazy ride. He neglected his business, winning and losing fortunes all over the world. Then one night in a Gotham casino, he was losing big in a high-rollers' game where the Penguin was playing. He gambled everything he owned on the outcome of that game, and lost everything to the Penguin. This is when Zsasz saw his eyes in the mirror, boring into him, peeling away the surface layers of wealth and love and happiness to reveal--nothing. There was nothing at all at the center of him - no reason for being, no motivation, no purpose. He was just a robot, sleepwalking from one distraction to another. He looked around and it was as if a veil had been lifted. Everybody was the same - running fast, lying, cheating - all to cover up the big nothing at their centers: zombies, driven by the desires of the flesh and fears of the psyche. Jaded, Zsasz attempted to kill himself by hanging himself while jumping from the Gotham Bridge. Just as he was about to leap, an old mugger approached him and, pulling out a knife, attempted to rob Zsasz before he killed himself. Instinctively grabbing the knife, Zsasz turned on the mugger and looked into his eyes. He saw nothing there. Only a subhuman robot, driven by his desires. In an instant Mr. Zsasz knew how to reclaim himself. He thanked the mugger for restoring life to him, and returned the favor by "saving him from his own emptiness", by brutally stabbing and killing the man. Zsasz felt like a god. He knew he would kill again. He had found his calling, to help poor beasts shuffle off this mortal coil. He needed some way to remind himself that he too is only human, and made the first of many self-inflicted cuts to his body. He keeps score of how many he's killed. Every time he takes a life, he scars his own body with the same knife. ((from Batman Chronicles #3))


First of all I think there is more here than you all seemed to grasp the first time.  I mean the name first of all.  Charles Victor Szasz and Victor Zsasz. I mean come on here this is to close for a coincidence.  Then look at the family background.  Complete opposite.  Vic grew up rough and turned out good.  Zsasz grew up with it all turned out bad.  Hurm! Strange indead.  Vic has taken his journey through the Eastern religion way of thinking.  Zsasz sees "subhuman robots, driven by desire."  Now wait a sec.  Buddha thought that the reason for human suffering was because of their desires.  Both are thinking in western thought and taking to different extremes.  One to help the other to end life.  Vic who is good hides his true face, and Zsasz who murders anyone anywhere anytime chooses not to.  It seems like this again is eastern religion.  The yin and yang.  Life is full of opposites and does this not make sense that they were destined to meet but fate took Q's life before he had a chance to meet Zsasz. I don't want to say that they are at all related or some of that various multi demensional crap, but I am just saying there is a little more here than mentioned before and I wanted to give you all something to think about.

Another strange coincidence.  Batman A death in the Family features a doctor named Victor Szasz.  However this one might not be as deep as MrZsasz and Q.  This Doc has theories on villians like the Joker.  However Denny O'Neill apparently wrote that little section and was working on the Question at the time.  So apparently a simple homage to the character or was it...Could it have been that since everyone knew him as Sage could he have been undercover and there have been plans for Q and Batman as early as back then.  Or is this another person within this strange tangled web of things people are not suppose to pick up on.  Well I guess my ramblings can stop for now.  Until then...?


Everything that exists has a specific nature, and possesses characteristics that are a part of what it is. A is A. And no matter what reality he calls home, Luthor is Luthor. If I'm to save the world, your existence must come to an end, before you take office.

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#2 2008-10-07 19:14:49

Izzy O' Toole
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Re: Oh the tangled web we weave!

Interesting stuff, I think your on to something.

...I  have nothing smart to say.


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#3 2008-10-08 04:06:59

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Re: Oh the tangled web we weave!

Hello, Mothmanlives. Welcome to the boards. It's an interesting topic that you have started up here. However, I am afraid that I don't share your thinking on what I feel is a tenuous link between the two characters.

First of all, their names aren't spelt the same. Which, logically speaking, would imply that they have either no relation, or one that comes in the form of a distannt (possibly Hungarian) anscestor. Charles Victor Szasz may not even be The Question's birth name, since he was an ophan, whereas Mr. Zsasz's name is. Furthermore, The Question name was changed in 1989 in The Question Annual #2, whereas Mr. Zsasz was created in 1992. The difference in time make the chances of a link between them extremely unlikely, and since they have had no interaction for the past 16 years it makes the argument for them being connected in any fashion a little hollow.

Finally, you reasoned that the fact that both characters were so morally and spiritually juxtaposed meant that they would be connected some how. I fail to see how this would logically give them any reason to be linked.Plus, they're not even that opposite: The Question has in the past struggled with his desire to dish out a more permanent brand of justice (e.g. killing his foes) and is also an ophan. Not really the opposite to having your parents killed in a boating accident when you're in your mid-twenties.

This is just an alternative opinion, mind you. I could be wrong.

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#4 2008-10-08 09:49:32

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Re: Oh the tangled web we weave!

Thanks for your insight.  I am in no way trying to be a smart a$$.  I am aware of the dates of the creation of the characters.  And their significant histories.  I am just thinking that there is something more here than just the names "almost" being the same.  I do not believe this is simply some coincidence for those do not happen.  It is all for a reason.  Logic is sometimes not the best tool, but probably the best option in 99.99% of cases.  I agree with the lack of interaction for the 16 years a bit silly and would make perfect sense if they were not in anyway connected.  I personally believe there is something more here that we will never have the full story on.  I just wanted to make you think.  And it seems like I did.  So thank you


Everything that exists has a specific nature, and possesses characteristics that are a part of what it is. A is A. And no matter what reality he calls home, Luthor is Luthor. If I'm to save the world, your existence must come to an end, before you take office.

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#5 2008-10-08 19:55:34

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Re: Oh the tangled web we weave!

Squashy Josh wrote:

First of all, their names aren't spelt the same. Which, logically speaking, would imply that they have either no relation, or one that comes in the form of a distant (possibly Hungarian) anscestor.

In Mothman's defense ("Chapssssstick!"), they could be related as closely as great-grandmother, depending on who was working the day their family came through Ellis Island. They tended to be assholes about the spelling of names there.

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#6 2008-10-09 05:20:14

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Re: Oh the tangled web we weave!

Eric wrote:

Squashy Josh wrote:

First of all, their names aren't spelt the same. Which, logically speaking, would imply that they have either no relation, or one that comes in the form of a distant (possibly Hungarian) anscestor.

In Mothman's defense ("Chapssssstick!"), they could be related as closely as great-grandmother, depending on who was working the day their family came through Ellis Island. They tended to be assholes about the spelling of names there.

Oh god, what an awful (Richard Gere attempting to cry in that movie will forever haunt me.....ugh.....) movie......


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#7 2008-10-09 18:28:02

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Re: Oh the tangled web we weave!

? wrote:

Eric wrote:

Squashy Josh wrote:

First of all, their names aren't spelt the same. Which, logically speaking, would imply that they have either no relation, or one that comes in the form of a distant (possibly Hungarian) anscestor.

In Mothman's defense ("Chapssssstick!"), they could be related as closely as great-grandmother, depending on who was working the day their family came through Ellis Island. They tended to be assholes about the spelling of names there.

Oh god, what an awful (Richard Gere attempting to cry in that movie will forever haunt me.....ugh.....) movie......

Please do not diss Richard Gere in my vicinity.

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#8 2008-10-09 22:24:17

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Re: Oh the tangled web we weave!

Squashy Josh wrote:

? wrote:

Eric wrote:


In Mothman's defense ("Chapssssstick!"), they could be related as closely as great-grandmother, depending on who was working the day their family came through Ellis Island. They tended to be assholes about the spelling of names there.

Oh god, what an awful (Richard Gere attempting to cry in that movie will forever haunt me.....ugh.....) movie......

Please do not diss Richard Gere in my vicinity.

Hey, the Gere does his thing like no one else can (and I totally can appreciate that)......but seriously...did you see that movie? Of course, if you did, and you enjoyed it...well, IGNORE ME!!!


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#9 2008-10-10 13:59:29

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Re: Oh the tangled web we weave!

I would totally talk junk about Nights in Rodanthe right now if I didn't think Diane Lane was wicked hot.

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